[DiscordArchive] I just don't see how UDP vs TCP could improve the responsiveness of arenas in WoW for example. Which
[DiscordArchive] I just don't see how UDP vs TCP could improve the responsiveness of arenas in WoW for example. Which
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I just don't see how UDP vs TCP could improve the responsiveness of arenas in WoW for example. Which particular packets do you think would most benefit from being re-designed for unrealiability? Movement is usually the most common example, but it will not automatically remove latency from the equation and it's not like WoW does movement prediction for LoS so how much would really improve if clients spammed their position constantly rather than on the 0.5 heartbeat/change?
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:17 AM #1Archived author: HelloKitty • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:17:52.906000+00:00
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I just don't see how UDP vs TCP could improve the responsiveness of arenas in WoW for example. Which particular packets do you think would most benefit from being re-designed for unrealiability? Movement is usually the most common example, but it will not automatically remove latency from the equation and it's not like WoW does movement prediction for LoS so how much would really improve if clients spammed their position constantly rather than on the 0.5 heartbeat/change?
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movement is one of the most important part that really requires realibity and tcp helps much with that and the overhead on it does not matter
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:18 AM #2Archived author: Fabian • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:18:53.064000+00:00
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movement is one of the most important part that really requires realibity and tcp helps much with that and the overhead on it does not matter
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its simply too low
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:18 AM #3Archived author: Fabian • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:18:59.848000+00:00
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its simply too low
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especially in arena where you wont see that many people the overhead of tcp is not relevant at all
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:19 AM #4Archived author: Fabian • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:19:26.023000+00:00
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especially in arena where you wont see that many people the overhead of tcp is not relevant at all
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it's how the server and client works with the packets and data
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:19 AM #5Archived author: Fabian • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:19:36.694000+00:00
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it's how the server and client works with the packets and data
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not tcp
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:19 AM #6Archived author: Fabian • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:19:38.775000+00:00
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not tcp
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it's mostly about avoiding spikes when you get packet loss, you can test that with things like clumsy to see how it behaves, just keep it at a reasonable level comparable to a real-world scenario
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:20 AM #7Archived author: <o> • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:20:51.345000+00:00
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it's mostly about avoiding spikes when you get packet loss, you can test that with things like clumsy to see how it behaves, just keep it at a reasonable level comparable to a real-world scenario
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Some multiplayer games opt for making movement unreliable transmission with UDP though, since they'll just constantly update the position. Afaik common approach is FPS. Afaik the thinking behind it is that retransmission of old movement data is useless because the simulation of the game has moved on. So reliability matters less than discarding stale/old out of order packets.
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:21 AM #8Archived author: HelloKitty • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:21:05.666000+00:00
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Some multiplayer games opt for making movement unreliable transmission with UDP though, since they'll just constantly update the position. Afaik common approach is FPS. Afaik the thinking behind it is that retransmission of old movement data is useless because the simulation of the game has moved on. So reliability matters less than discarding stale/old out of order packets.
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sadly udp does not help there at all. the only good thing is that your connection might not fully drop but you still wont receive and send any data at proper times. u notice it and other users also do and in games like cs go or other fps you are insta dead during those spikes
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:22 AM #9Archived author: Fabian • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:22:53.890000+00:00
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sadly udp does not help there at all. the only good thing is that your connection might not fully drop but you still wont receive and send any data at proper times. u notice it and other users also do and in games like cs go or other fps you are insta dead during those spikes
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it helps you to smooth out minimal packet losses tho
rektbyfaith
06-26-2023, 09:23 AM #10Archived author: Fabian • Posted: 2023-06-26T09:23:37.072000+00:00
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it helps you to smooth out minimal packet losses tho