[DiscordArchive] I agree fully. The bit that makes it shady is that it is intentionally obfuscated, making it harder
[DiscordArchive] I agree fully. The bit that makes it shady is that it is intentionally obfuscated, making it harder
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I agree fully. The bit that makes it shady is that it is intentionally obfuscated, making it harder to reverse. Why obfuscate a launcher? What have you got to hide?
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:50 PM #1Archived author: stoneharry • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:50:32.595000+00:00
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I agree fully. The bit that makes it shady is that it is intentionally obfuscated, making it harder to reverse. Why obfuscate a launcher? What have you got to hide?
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Hmmm, maybe the Launcher does that nowadays but when working at Ascension I wrote afew new layers of anti-cheat clientside that does this. It will search for various things inspired by the oldschool anticheat from back the days. Windows API makes it trivial to search for stuff like window titles, executable names and etc. That's enough information to detect a bunch of different bots/"hack tools" and etc. Was the 2nd clientside anticheat layer I wrote I think, wrote like 5 or 6 can't remember I'd have to count them.
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:50 PM #2Archived author: HelloKitty • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:50:50.667000+00:00
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Hmmm, maybe the Launcher does that nowadays but when working at Ascension I wrote afew new layers of anti-cheat clientside that does this. It will search for various things inspired by the oldschool anticheat from back the days. Windows API makes it trivial to search for stuff like window titles, executable names and etc. That's enough information to detect a bunch of different bots/"hack tools" and etc. Was the 2nd clientside anticheat layer I wrote I think, wrote like 5 or 6 can't remember I'd have to count them.
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Oh yea I'm not sure why they did that, but I commented on that before in one of the channels in here if you search my previous messages. I had some thoughts on maybe why, and knowing alittle bit of the guy who wrote the Launcher having worked there I'm not surprised to here it's obfuscated . But Ascension was making $2m million a year, there is no reason to be shady. Just keep selling soft p2w, conveince items, 55 transmogs, 55 mounts, 55 wings and etc. There is no reason to be shady at the scale Ascension operates.
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:52 PM #3Archived author: HelloKitty • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:52:29.586000+00:00
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Oh yea I'm not sure why they did that, but I commented on that before in one of the channels in here if you search my previous messages. I had some thoughts on maybe why, and knowing alittle bit of the guy who wrote the Launcher having worked there I'm not surprised to here it's obfuscated . But Ascension was making $2m million a year, there is no reason to be shady. Just keep selling soft p2w, conveince items, 55 transmogs, 55 mounts, 55 wings and etc. There is no reason to be shady at the scale Ascension operates.
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The governor was killed because it was considered too intrusive, yet we find it okay to scan user processes / titles etc without giving notice as legally required?
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:52 PM #4Archived author: stoneharry • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:52:37.289000+00:00
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The governor was killed because it was considered too intrusive, yet we find it okay to scan user processes / titles etc without giving notice as legally required?
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I mean that's just the Windows API, even processes without escalated privileges can enumerate system processes. Practically every anticheat since like 2000 will do this basic layer of detection.
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:53 PM #5Archived author: HelloKitty • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:53:43.842000+00:00
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I mean that's just the Windows API, even processes without escalated privileges can enumerate system processes. Practically every anticheat since like 2000 will do this basic layer of detection.
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All the governor did was hash process names and that was considered too invasive
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:53 PM #6Archived author: stoneharry • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:53:49.910000+00:00
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All the governor did was hash process names and that was considered too invasive
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You must declare in the privacy notice what information will be processed
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:54 PM #7Archived author: stoneharry • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:54:07.910000+00:00
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You must declare in the privacy notice what information will be processed
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The shady bit is willfully not following required protocol
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:54 PM #8Archived author: stoneharry • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:54:34.531000+00:00
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The shady bit is willfully not following required protocol
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Shady? I've always happily disclosed many of the methods used to detect people cheating or botting because I hate those peeps. Downloading some crap they didn't even write, of course I'm going to use every tool available to detect and prevent that. It's far from the most intrusive thing, it's consider releatively basic and pre-historic for anticheat.
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:55 PM #9Archived author: HelloKitty • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:55:58.471000+00:00
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Shady? I've always happily disclosed many of the methods used to detect people cheating or botting because I hate those peeps. Downloading some crap they didn't even write, of course I'm going to use every tool available to detect and prevent that. It's far from the most intrusive thing, it's consider releatively basic and pre-historic for anticheat.
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Pretty sure early 2000s anticheat did this like Gameguard or Punkbuster.
rektbyfaith
09-15-2025, 12:56 PM #10Archived author: HelloKitty • Posted: 2025-09-15T12:56:16.521000+00:00
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Pretty sure early 2000s anticheat did this like Gameguard or Punkbuster.
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