[Archive] I'm not sure, but I think I have news.
[Archive] I'm not sure, but I think I have news.
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote: So, I was browsing the nogg-aholic forums as always and I come across a forum post that put me off a bit. I only saw it once it had been edited by the mods (rightfully so too), but I gathered that it was about someone who says that a certain file in the DBC files is being removed, moved, altered, or whatever serverside. I have no evidence except a cryptic forum post that's now all but non existent, but I think that It meant that taxipathnode.dbc(the one that allows minipulation of Zeppelin paths) is being altered.
Now, normally I wouldn't make anything of such doomspeakers, but with the recent surge of GM Island, and the perma bans, the new(relatively speaking) Warden owning up hackers everywhere, and the advent of Overrated being banned over model changing, makes me think that eventually, blizzard will want to stop losing customers and eventually switch to a system where the customers just don't have a chance to abuse the system. It could be soon, it could be never, but all I know is that something may happen.
And I wouldn't be surprised...Just sad.
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #1Archived author: A_Snake01 • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote: So, I was browsing the nogg-aholic forums as always and I come across a forum post that put me off a bit. I only saw it once it had been edited by the mods (rightfully so too), but I gathered that it was about someone who says that a certain file in the DBC files is being removed, moved, altered, or whatever serverside. I have no evidence except a cryptic forum post that's now all but non existent, but I think that It meant that taxipathnode.dbc(the one that allows minipulation of Zeppelin paths) is being altered.
Now, normally I wouldn't make anything of such doomspeakers, but with the recent surge of GM Island, and the perma bans, the new(relatively speaking) Warden owning up hackers everywhere, and the advent of Overrated being banned over model changing, makes me think that eventually, blizzard will want to stop losing customers and eventually switch to a system where the customers just don't have a chance to abuse the system. It could be soon, it could be never, but all I know is that something may happen.
And I wouldn't be surprised...Just sad.
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote:Wow dude if thats true, that sucks, a lot
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #2Archived author: Fault • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote:Wow dude if thats true, that sucks, a lot
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote: yea, id consider leaving without abuse, and they better not dumb it down to STARWARSGALAXIES style. where you cant jump and its almost like a giant game of packman from a fps or 3rd person veiw.
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #3Archived author: Finnster • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote: yea, id consider leaving without abuse, and they better not dumb it down to STARWARSGALAXIES style. where you cant jump and its almost like a giant game of packman from a fps or 3rd person veiw.
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote: While what you say may hold some truth, there is no way to stop us ( I use us very broadly) Blizzard in fact, and with game mechanics in itself can never stop model editing.. There will ALWAYS be a way, with a certain program, a certain code, or a certain script, to model change. Yes, perhaps 99.9% of people will not be able to do it, and it may become much more easy to spot thus model changers can lose their accounts and the like just like a hacker, honestly giving the VIP noggs the godsend that they used to have of being so amazing, many of them will be the few that actually know how the game was designed, how to redesign and how to code all of this to work. Many people come on this site and leech to no end, and then flame those who don't want to just hand out the answer.
Thus is the reason I have tried to stick to my guns so much about teaching. I'm not just trying to be a D**k about it. To seem so much more elitest or w/e. GtR MoD too, he tried to hint and to teach, why? Becuz we knew it would come eventually. In learning how to edit yourself have you not learned about how the game works? why the things YOU changed, and edited cause the reactions you see? Is it not our creativity, skills, and designs that make model editing what it is? What if Dopefish had never created his movies, would you still think he edit some coords float to gm island! I dont think so.
Blizzard is a great company in essence, they maximize profits, have little downtime that causes them to lose customers, and have designed and developed a game that has people literally addicted to it.
You claim that they will stop us from exploiting the system so that they don't lose customers. I would claim false, they can't stop us. They can stop some, most at best but it will never cease. You cannot design a game with 7 million people playing worldwide with one thing in common, The desire to gain advantage over the next person on the next computer in the next BG, PVP, Raid, Epeen... w/e It doesnt matter what you place in the slot, someone will find a way.
Blizzard nerfs things every patch, can we still not do EVERYTHING that was possible day one to present? Yes, we can still do it all.. different methods perhaps, but nothing has stopped.
Model changing will change, that is a promise. It changed in 1.11, and it will change again, if you looked at the files in just the past few patches you would realize that, if you havent already. The ones on this site, the Nogg-aholic site, and every model changer that is "elite" should or has seen it coming. But take it as a promise that they cannot end it, the death of the game will be only thing that takes life from model changers everywhere.. Learn now while it is still easy, learn what makes what work in this game, understand and research EVERY aspect of it now if you wish to model change in the future, for who knows when you may not be able to leech or it gets so hard that its not worth it anymore. Thus no one really practices releasing files for you to leech.
Those are the facts for the future.
-SomethingCool
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #4Archived author: SomethingCool525 • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote: While what you say may hold some truth, there is no way to stop us ( I use us very broadly) Blizzard in fact, and with game mechanics in itself can never stop model editing.. There will ALWAYS be a way, with a certain program, a certain code, or a certain script, to model change. Yes, perhaps 99.9% of people will not be able to do it, and it may become much more easy to spot thus model changers can lose their accounts and the like just like a hacker, honestly giving the VIP noggs the godsend that they used to have of being so amazing, many of them will be the few that actually know how the game was designed, how to redesign and how to code all of this to work. Many people come on this site and leech to no end, and then flame those who don't want to just hand out the answer.
Thus is the reason I have tried to stick to my guns so much about teaching. I'm not just trying to be a D**k about it. To seem so much more elitest or w/e. GtR MoD too, he tried to hint and to teach, why? Becuz we knew it would come eventually. In learning how to edit yourself have you not learned about how the game works? why the things YOU changed, and edited cause the reactions you see? Is it not our creativity, skills, and designs that make model editing what it is? What if Dopefish had never created his movies, would you still think he edit some coords float to gm island! I dont think so.
Blizzard is a great company in essence, they maximize profits, have little downtime that causes them to lose customers, and have designed and developed a game that has people literally addicted to it.
You claim that they will stop us from exploiting the system so that they don't lose customers. I would claim false, they can't stop us. They can stop some, most at best but it will never cease. You cannot design a game with 7 million people playing worldwide with one thing in common, The desire to gain advantage over the next person on the next computer in the next BG, PVP, Raid, Epeen... w/e It doesnt matter what you place in the slot, someone will find a way.
Blizzard nerfs things every patch, can we still not do EVERYTHING that was possible day one to present? Yes, we can still do it all.. different methods perhaps, but nothing has stopped.
Model changing will change, that is a promise. It changed in 1.11, and it will change again, if you looked at the files in just the past few patches you would realize that, if you havent already. The ones on this site, the Nogg-aholic site, and every model changer that is "elite" should or has seen it coming. But take it as a promise that they cannot end it, the death of the game will be only thing that takes life from model changers everywhere.. Learn now while it is still easy, learn what makes what work in this game, understand and research EVERY aspect of it now if you wish to model change in the future, for who knows when you may not be able to leech or it gets so hard that its not worth it anymore. Thus no one really practices releasing files for you to leech.
Those are the facts for the future.
-SomethingCool
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote: i was on GM island maybe 1-2 weeks ago. i did not get banned.
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #5Archived author: zalle • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote: i was on GM island maybe 1-2 weeks ago. i did not get banned.
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote:lol you guys speak of model editing like its a passionbut yea it wood suck of the simple way i knew how to do was cut off...
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #6Archived author: rudez • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote:lol you guys speak of model editing like its a passion
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote: SomethingCool, thanks for your input.
I'm trying nearly everything I can to wholly understand the game. Yeah, I know that the game reads the DBC files, I know that it reads whatever is in a patchX over the original one, I know you can edit files to do different things, but I'd love to just get in the mind of a Dev and know how it was programmed. And I am doing that now.
I agree, we can still do everything we were able to do from the start, but I just wonder how long it is until it takes an unbelievable amount of time and effort to do something that takes a few minutes now. I'll still do it when that day comes, I'll do it until the end of Warcraft, but eventually, it won't be fun anymore.
And if Dopefish hadn't made his movies, I don't know what would have happened. I just really don't. Would someone else have been destined to make his movies in his place, or would they just never have come at all? Not a question I enjoy pondering, as I love his movies. They were the first of their kind and are still positively brilliant and original, and they still inspire people. He definitely opened up the eyes of thousands, if not millions of people.
Also, Rudez, it really is a passion for me. I truly enjoy doing it and I'm sure many, many others love it as well. It's one of the most enjoyable things in Warcraft, to me anyway.
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #7Archived author: A_Snake01 • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote: SomethingCool, thanks for your input.
I'm trying nearly everything I can to wholly understand the game. Yeah, I know that the game reads the DBC files, I know that it reads whatever is in a patchX over the original one, I know you can edit files to do different things, but I'd love to just get in the mind of a Dev and know how it was programmed. And I am doing that now.
I agree, we can still do everything we were able to do from the start, but I just wonder how long it is until it takes an unbelievable amount of time and effort to do something that takes a few minutes now. I'll still do it when that day comes, I'll do it until the end of Warcraft, but eventually, it won't be fun anymore.
And if Dopefish hadn't made his movies, I don't know what would have happened. I just really don't. Would someone else have been destined to make his movies in his place, or would they just never have come at all? Not a question I enjoy pondering, as I love his movies. They were the first of their kind and are still positively brilliant and original, and they still inspire people. He definitely opened up the eyes of thousands, if not millions of people.
Also, Rudez, it really is a passion for me. I truly enjoy doing it and I'm sure many, many others love it as well. It's one of the most enjoyable things in Warcraft, to me anyway.
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote: Well,if it would happend,there's allmost 100% that after 2 days the players will find a new way to model change safely, sometimes the players are smarter then blizzard,and sometime they dont,when it comes to model changing players > Blizzard : )
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #8Archived author: Nivv123 • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote: Well,if it would happend,there's allmost 100% that after 2 days the players will find a new way to model change safely, sometimes the players are smarter then blizzard,and sometime they dont,when it comes to model changing players > Blizzard : )
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote: I´ve just been on GM Island 2day WITH MY MAIN ACCWE HATE YOU BLIZZ GO EAT DICKS!
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #9Archived author: Negue2 • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote: I´ve just been on GM Island 2day WITH MY MAIN ACC
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM
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Quote: Wouldn't make a difference to me if only the TaxiPath files were moved serverside/in-editable or w/e ... Who cares if you cant fly to GM island, its boring anyway, and not to mention its nothing special sence the method was leeked, anyone could go... Well yea im tired and im sick of writing... No novel for now..... but yea, personly i think it would be a plus...
rektbyfaith
11-04-2025, 11:07 AM #10Archived author: idusy-org • Posted: 2025-11-04T12:07:54.215875
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Quote: Wouldn't make a difference to me if only the TaxiPath files were moved serverside/in-editable or w/e ... Who cares if you cant fly to GM island, its boring anyway, and not to mention its nothing special sence the method was leeked, anyone could go... Well yea im tired and im sick of writing... No novel for now..... but yea, personly i think it would be a plus...
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